— Days Without Shea —


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I've been out most of the week at a conference. But I can't let this occasion pass without saying:

HAPPY THIRD BIRTHDAY TO MYSELF!

Yes it was three years ago Friday when I posted the Loge13 Manifesto, which inspired countless several of you to become regular readers.

We couldn't stop the destruction of Shea. We couldn't halt Jose Reyes' overactive thyroid. But we'd like to think we helped a bit in the Mets' decision to offer partial season plans at Citi Field.  Oh yeah, and we caused the Great Recession. Sorry about that last thing.

Serious thanks to all of you who have tagged along these past three years. I intended to shut this site down when Shea Stadium was no more but your kindness has kept me going. See you at the ballpark in 2010 and you are welcome in Loge 13 (Section 308) anytime.

Kingman



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The AP has a nice update today on Joe Nelson.

You may win a bar bet with that name. Nelson was the last pitcher to win a game at Shea Stadium. He pitched a scoreless 7th for the Marlins on Sept. 28, 2008 and got the victory
(I just re-read my memory of that last game at Shea...man, what a rough day).

It is fitting that the guy with the last victory at Shea only has seven wins total in a nine year career.

Here's the story:

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Joe Nelson won the last game ever played at Shea Stadium. He received a World Series ring for pitching just three games with the Boston Red Sox.

The reliever's other career milestones are less joyous -- four serious surgeries, seven major league organizations and too many grueling days of rehabilitation for him to count.

Now Nelson faces another challenge. He's one of about a half dozen pitchers competing for the lone vacancy in Boston's bullpen, a hurdle his history of dealing with adversity may help him overcome.

"I thrive in situations like that," the right-hander said Sunday. "I love the game. I'm 35 and I still get to play a game I've been playing since I was 4 years old. I can't think of anything I'd rather do."

That passion has kept him going through all the trips to operating rooms and different baseball clubhouses.

Nelson had Tommy John surgery in 1999. Operations on his right labrum, a cuff of cartilage that stabilizes the shoulder, followed in 2001, 2002 and 2007. He missed almost four full seasons.

And he's been with nearly twice as many organizations. After six seasons in the Atlanta system, he moved to Boston, the New York Mets, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Kansas City, Florida and Tampa Bay again.

And, now, back to Boston.

"My wife and family have always said, 'play as long as you want, as long as you're able to, but once you quit, you're done. You're not going to come back,' " Nelson said. "I had a lot of nights where I said, 'I don't know if this is going to work out.' I called my friends and they'd be like, 'Don't quit. 9-to-5 gigs are not as fun as they're cracked up to be.' "

He gains confidence from the success he's had when healthy.

Since his last surgery sidelined him for all of 2007, he went 3-1 with a 2.00 ERA in 59 appearances for Florida in 2008 and 3-0 with a 4.02 ERA in 42 games for Tampa Bay in 2009.

Nelson's brief stint with the Red Sox in 2004 was far less productive. He was promoted from Triple-A Pawtucket on July 9 and sent back there 12 days later after posting a 16.88 ERA in 2 2-3 innings.

But, just like Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez, he received a World Series ring.

"It's a prized possession," Nelson said. "I wasn't on the postseason roster and I only threw in a few games but I was a part of that team and they can look in the books if they want to and go, 'yeah, he actually did pitch.' "

The most memorable accomplishment of his career came four years later with the Marlins.

They were at Shea Stadium on Sept. 28, 2008, the last day of the regular season, for the final game in the 44-year-old ballpark. The Mets and Milwaukee Brewers were tied for the NL wild-card berth. If both won or both lost, they would meet in a one-game playoff.

But Milwaukee beat the Chicago Cubs 3-1, and Florida beat New York 4-2, breaking a tie in the eighth inning on a homer by Wes Helms. The next batter, Dan Uggla, also homered. Nelson pitched just one inning, striking out two in a perfect seventh, to earn the last win at Shea.

"That's something I'll hold onto," he said. "I have a good friend that's a Mets fan and I went up to home plate after the game and scooped up some dirt and I had it authenticated by Major League Baseball and I gave it to him for Christmas."

Nelson has won only six other major league games. He has two losses and a 4.07 ERA with 13 saves in 149 outings.

"He's shown a lot of perseverance, both from a physical standpoint and what's he's come back from and never being a guy who was guaranteed anything," Boston pitching coach John Farrell said. "We're looking for that second lefty in the bullpen or a right-hander that can attack left-handers efficiently. He's going to get a long look here in camp."

That's all Nelson wants.

"I don't take any days for granted," he said. "Every day I get to put on a uniform is special. I know one day I'm going to have to give it up, but who knows when that will be? I've had a weird career. Maybe I'll last a lot longer."

If he must start the season at Pawtucket, he's willing. After all, he didn't make a major-league opening day roster until last year, his 14th in pro baseball. He said his arm has felt "spectacular" in spring training but knows that could change at any time.

"Today when I go out and play catch if it feels good then I'll make it through another day," Nelson said. "I've already lived every kid's fantasy and if it ended today I could walk away from this game completely satisfied because all I ever wanted to do since I was 4 years old was play in the big leagues.

"I'm lucky to be doing what I'm doing."





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by Kingman on March 4 at 11:59AM
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I wrote about Bobby Valentine the other day. At the time he was just making appearances in print.

But yesterday he arrived in the flesh as part of his ESPN gig. The New York Times reported on his visit and the inevitable chatter about his possible return to manage.

Valentine Visits Mets; Fans Ask Him to Stay
By DAVID WALDSTEIN

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Bobby Valentine stood on the top step of the Mets' dugout at Champion Stadium, just as he had done many times before. But this time he was wearing a black track suit instead of a uniform, and he was chatting amiably with Manager Jerry Manuel.

That was obviously a tantalizing image for the dozens of Mets fans sitting in the stands behind the dugout, many of whom yelled to Valentine to please return to the Mets for a second term in office. Valentine ignored those entreaties, or never heard them, and kept talking to Manuel, the third man to hold his old job since he was fired eight years ago.

Valentine, who managed the Mets from 1996 to 2002, could not be bothered with such far-fetched speculation because he was too busy pumping Manuel for information. He was not asking about palace intrigue or issues of job security, only about Manuel's team and his players.

Now a commentator for ESPN's "Baseball Tonight," Valentine is in the midst of a self-initiated immersion course over three weeks to learn as much as possible about the estimated 700 baseball players he has not seen in the past six years. He is using his eyes to watch them and his ears to hear what those around them think.

"I've been away a long time," Valentine said. "A lot changes in six years. So I'm going back to school."

For two days in February, Valentine was on assignment in Florida for ESPN, but when that assignment ended, he stayed on, and has been paying his own way. With a spiral-bound book of scouting reports under his arm, Valentine is trying to learn as much as he can before opening day.

Not content to learn gradually as he goes, Valentine has attacked the task. Plan your work and work your plan is one of his mottos, and he is doing it.

In typical Valentine fashion, he first broke down the problem into manageable numbers. Before he arrived in Florida, he went through every major league roster and added up how many players he did not know.

"There were 1,322 players in the major leagues last year," he said. "I counted about 700 I didn't know."

Friends of his in the game helped him compile scouting reports on all 30 teams, and the book contains information on hundreds of players, including minor leaguers. He said each day he goes through a different team. And he is also looking to extract information from the professionals he meets.

On Wednesday, he spoke to Manuel about his players and about some of his basic baseball philosophy. He also spoke to the Mets' pitching coach, Dan Warthen, taking notes in the margins of his scouting book. He chatted with the new Mets catcher Rod Barajas about the challenges of receiving pitchers for the first time in a game situation.

He also spent time with Braves Manager Bobby Cox, with whom he had some spirited encounters over the years from opposing dugouts.

"Oh, Bobby and I just competed," Valentine said, "but I always considered him a friend that I could talk baseball with."

A few days earlier, he picked the brain of Yankees Manager Joe Girardi, chatted with the Phillies skipper Charlie Manuel and held a confab with the Phillies senior adviser Pat Gillick, among others.

"That was educational," he said. "But I don't want to make it seem like this is so laborious. I get to see a lot of old friends in the game. I just saw Burt Hooton and Brad Arnsberg. This is fun for me."

Hooton and Arnsberg played for Valentine when he managed in Texas.

After he was done gathering information on the field, Valentine walked through the stands on his way to sit with the scouts behind home plate as fans buzzed, "It's Bobby Valentine." Many asked for his autograph. Several told him how much they would like to see him back in a Mets uniform leading the team again.

On this trip through the stands with a reporter, though, Valentine ignored those pleas. Yes, he would like to manage again. And, like everyone else, he knows that if a team like the Mets gets off to a poor start and he is sitting in the "Baseball Tonight" studio sounding insightful, the cry will go up to hire him. The pleas will be especially loud in Flushing, where he was the last manager to take the Mets to the World Series.

"It's awkward," he said, sounding irritated at the subject. "I'm not here for that. I've got a different job now, and I've got a lot of work to do."



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Mike said

"That was obviously a tantalizing image for the dozens of Mets fans sitting in the stands behind the dugout, many of whom yelled to Valentine to please return to the Mets for a second term in office. Valentine ignored those entreaties, or never heard them, and kept talking to Manuel, the third man to hold his old job since he was fired eight years ago."

So fans were basically campaigning for Manuel to get fired, *right in front of Manuel himself.* Come on, guys. I'd like to think we could be a little classier than that.


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by Kingman on March 1 at 10:04AM
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Loge13 reader Paul asked in an earlier post if we had made any progress on our seat woes with the Mets.

Indeed we did. The entire Loge13 crew is back together again and on the right side of the field where we belong.

For the 2010 campaign, we will be in Section 308, rows 7 and 8. Our own Ron Hunt went out to the stadium this winter and scouted out locations. Thanks RH for doing the leg work.

As regular readers know, we did not renew our seats up in Promenade Box 427 and were prepared to sit out the year (or the rest of our lives). Frankly, Prom Box 427 just stunk. The view was OK, as long as you are not a fan of left field. But the standing room nonsense behind us was intolerable. Plus it just felt odd to be sitting on the third base side after 24 years of being behind first base.

The Mets front office was very accommodating, no surprise given how poor ticket sales seem to be. And the weekday game plan is still intact. The only downer to the schedule is that there are no day games at all, except for Opening Day.

Obviously, the weekday plans are great for us. If they forced us to take a bunch of weekend games, we'd never do it. So my empathy is with all you Saturday and Sunday plan veterans out there. What are the Mets saying about just offering pure weekend plans again? Any chance it will happen? Let me know.






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Doug said

Congratulations on your new digs. I hope you enjoy them.

I've read elsewhere that the Mets received a lot of flack from 15-gamers for the Fri, Sat, and Sun plans for them being split 10 and 5. That other team created their 15-game Fri, Sat, and Sun plans as 13+2. At least they get all the ___day games in their plan. With the Mets, apparently you don't. The Ticket Office admitted this was a big reason for fans not renewing, but said that, at least for 2010, there will be no change to the plan structure. Only time will tell if the ticket office wises up and makes some SMART changes for 2011, like, bringing back Shea-like plans.

There is only so much crap that your fans are willing to eat.

Cheers!
-Doug

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Paul said

All the best in your new home. Unlike you, We have NO HOME. We were unwilling to compromise. After 23 years we wanted what we had at Shea. That was Loge-Type seats between the bases, a SATURDAY ONLY Plan with Playoff rights. At $iti Field that meant Caesars Level Sects 311 to 327. We were offered Sect 326 or 312 but we were not willing to pay that price for 5 middle of the week games we would not go to or recoup the average price of $80 per seat cost. Maybe for the Tigers in Aug but not for the Cubs (In April) Washington, Rockies or Pirates.
So its off to Plan "B". This worked very well last year when we abandoned our Sect 430 seats by July and payed half price for tickets the rest of the season.
Again, best of luck at your new home....
Paul

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kingman said

Thanks Paul. I feel for you and your crew. It is just plain goofy that the Mets abandoned the weekend-only plan. Hang tough and if Loge13 can help spread the word, just say the word.

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Doug said

It's obvious when you look at the plan structures that have been in place since 2009 that the Mets MBA's apparently packaged games to sell the most tickets, figuring that the team wouldn't be sucking, and that demand for seating in the new park would drive up demand.

Well, the 'new park' fancy wearing off and half the team being on IR in 2009 jettisoned those plans.

What games will they sell, regardless? Opening Day, plus the three against the Yankees. So, lets market one of those games in a package. 20 games is too much. Let's make them 15.

Oh wait, we still have to sell another batch of games that have no draw? What to do? Let's steal 3 Friday, 3 Saturday, and 3 Sunday games from plans that will sell and lump them with 6 games that we can't sell on their own merit, and presto! the weekend-plus plan!

So there you have it. Five plans that were designed to sell the most tickets possible, based on a good team and a strong demand for a ticket to the new park.

I am hoping, that in 2011, the Mets realize that they will need to restructure their partial plans to bring back those who, guess what, only want to / can go to games on certain days of the week.

The Mets were always very generous with their partial plans when compared to other clubs, and here's hope that they become generous yet again.

Cheers!
-Doug


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by Kingman on March 1 at 9:07AM
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The New York Times had a seemingly innocent piece today about Ryota Igarashi and the new Met's quest to learn a new pitch.

Apparently, Igarashi's curve ball is not up to major league standards (Note to the front office - awesome signing. My curve ball is also weak. Can I get a job? I'm a lefty, if that would help seal the deal.).

Our still-employed pitching coach Dan Warthen has recommended Igarashi learn a slider to replace that wobbly curve. This is all interesting talk but what makes this article memorable is the source reporter David Waldstein contacted for comment:

"Bobby Valentine, who managed the Chiba Lotte Marines for seven years in two stints, saw Igarashi pitch in interleague play there and agreed with Warthen about his curveball.

He also says practice is paramount for Japanese players. In Japan, a pitcher might practice a new pitch for a full year, throwing it thousands of times, before unleashing it in a game.

"I'm sure Igarashi threw a lot of pitches in the off-season and over the years to prepare for coming here, and the slider isn't one of them," Valentine said. "But he could be a quick learner."


This three grafs are the best part of spring training so far. Bobby V is back on U.S. soil and clearly pacing his Connecticut estate, waiting for the Jerry Manuel era to end. NY sports reporters probably can't resist turning to their old pal to weigh in on his former club. And here is Bobby V in all his glory. We get:

- The worldly Bobby (he managed in Japan for seven years, ya know)

- The gracious Bobby (agreeing with Warthen)

- The passively combatant Bobby (he disagrees with Warthen. "Don't you know Japanese pitchers need a year to learn a new pitch? Oh that's right. You didn't manage for seven years in Japan.")

- And then my favorite: the wise-ass Bobby ("I'm sure Ryota is a quick learner. Wink, wink. Did I tell you I just got back from Japan?")

We're wasting time people. We need Bobby Valentine now, not in June when the Mets are 15 games under 500 and we're still blowing on the embers under Maine's/Perez's/Pelfrey's feet, hoping these guys catch fire some day. Bobby is not going to issue some Gary Carter-esque plea for the manager gig. He needs to be asked. Lets go Mets. Hire Bobby Valentine already so we can start getting ready for the 2011 season.


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Ron Hunt said

Not Bobby V.!!!! I can't take the mind games, the superiority complex or the arrogance. Or the return of Benny Agbayani.

I'd take Art Howe before Bobby V. again.

OK, maybe not.

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steve_b said

Ahhh,I read your posts on TRDMB and you certainly don't sound like one of "The Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" at all. Unfortunately, in this Bobby V. article,you do! Hopefully the 'Mets Blog' like pessimism you displayed here was done tongue in cheek. Don't fall sway to the dark side! lol.

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Kingman said

No worries, Steve B. I'm just joshing. I do believe that Bobby V would help the team. I'm not rooting for Jerry Manuel to fail but if things go south, our old pal would be an asset. Clearly my Loge13 neighbor Ron Hunt disagrees but I love him anyway.


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